Tuesday, January 26, 2016

One Poker-Hen 109

After a terrible realization, Kaiji now must pick either to be boiled alive, or to be drowned to death. Neither seems like a good choice to me.

Thanks to Sonickrazy for the translations and to Crump Biggums for the cleans.

One Poker-Hen 109

"This was his aim from the very start!"


Kaiji scores his first victory! Man, I was really, really expecting Kaiji to lose first and then win when all hope was lost after drawing another shitty card. Guess Fukumoto saw through my shitty scenario and one-upped me. I'm very happy seeing Kaiji win the first round. One thing I am curious about is the title of this chapter. Shame it's called. I'm curious as to why this chapter was titled the way it was. At first it feels like Kaiji is shaming Kazuya for "cheating" at One Poker, giving him DOWN DOWN cards, but he became more matter of fact about it. Like, of course he's going to cheat. Anyone would cheat if they could with that much money on the line, or something like that. Which made me think, maybe the Title isn't taking about Kazuya, but about Kaiji. Kaiji and the shame it brings him for doubting Kazuya when Kazuya has been nothing but upfront and honest about everything he has said. Something to think about.

Now we have more info on the game. Checking and betting. Obviously, since Kazuya was in the superior position, he should have bet which would have made Kaiji fold. Guaranteed Kaiji would have folded 100% if Kazuya had better another life. That is what the goon behind Kazuya was thinking probably. Which makes his reaction questioning kazuya for simply going to showdown. Kazuya underestimated Kaiji. He's still taking this as a simple game. He's not serious yet. Maybe losing 200 million will wake him up a bit.

One last thing. With the addition of the goon behind Kazuya, who seems might talk to Kazuya in later chapters, this setup reminds me of something I might have seen before... A showdown between 2 people for a massive amount of money in a game. People behind them who might voice their opinion... Made by Fukumoto... Any takers? No? YES! This very setup reminds me of exactly how Akagi is. I laughed a little when I realized what might be taking place here. I can't wait to see the next chapter!

19 comments:

  1. Well, the thing is, Kazuya could still be cheating... It would just be way too obvious to destroy Kaiji in the first 2 rounds.

    Also I don't wanna believe, this is all there is to this game. I loved how FKMT build up tension in the 17-steps arc and really hope there will be some nice twists later on.

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  2. FKMT really is trying to pull off another Akagi VS Washizu, huh. There's no way it can't be as interesting but I guess I can only hope, huh?

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  4. Both players made pretty stupid choices on the first game.
    Unless Kazuya had two As, he should have played a lower value high card for a guaranteed win and if he actually had two As, he should have raised to make Kaiji fold the game.
    On the other hand, if Kaiji was sure he would lose, he should have gone with the 4 and save the 2 for a later anti-ace situtation.

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    1. Kaiji made "a stupid choice under the base assumption that he would always get down cards and kazuya would always get up cards and no other special tricks would happen". However, if (a) kaiji was hanging onto the hope the kazuya wasn't cheating, so higher down-cards were usually better, or (b) kaiji figured the game was rigged so he would always get Down cards and Kazuya would always get non-Ace high cards (to form an Absolute Wall), so the card he played wouldn't matter at all, then Kaiji's play becomes non-stupid.

      However... yes, Kazuya just seemed dumb this game. He should've both played a non-Ace *and* raised. It's obvious from his expression that the second card he drew was not an Ace.

      With that said, this outcome was obvious; it can't be interesting when Kaiji only has 1 life.

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    2. I was thinking that maybe Kazuya wanted to lose that subconsciously, that's why he'd put the Ace there.

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  5. As an observation:

    1) Kazuya is not completely stupid, and Kazuya invented this game, so must know the rules and permutations inside out

    2) Kazuya played an A against a DD hand, which is definitively a bad move as observed by Anon 3, even if he's holding AA

    Conclusion: Kazuya lost on purpose.

    Why? What does Kazuya get out of losing this hand that outweighs the advantage of creating a crushing chip lead?

    Let's suppose it's because he's cheating, and he's desparate to stop Kaiji believing this.

    What can he gain from this beyond the 400,000 that he's already as good as won just from the starting draw? Sure, Kaiji might think he's cheating if he wins two quick hands from a good draw, but it's not so improbable that it couldn't happen, so he has no proof and can't do anything about it.

    The only conclusion is that Kazuya wants MORE than the 400,000, and he won't get that if Kaiji's convinced he'll lose, just like he won't necessarily get it if he doesn't cheat.

    What has he wanted since the very start of the Kazuya arc? To prove the weakness of the bonds between people. How? Have Kaiji bet Mario and Chang's lives. Of course, it has to be Kaiji's idea in order to not seem shifty, so Kaiji has to be in a position where he believes he'll win.

    Just a theory, though.

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    1. Not 400,000. 400,000,000. Obvs.

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    2. My own thoughts almost exactly. Using statues of people is done for a reason.
      However I think (either by Kazuya's or Kaiji's suggestion) Kaiji will offer his own life (himself as a statue), and then his friends will offer their own lives to help Kaiji.
      (Strangely enough Kazuya seemed stunned that Mario and Chang came along, so if he planned to prove the weakness of bonds, it's a plan he made in the car or later).

      So yea, Kazuya probably lost first round on purpose.

      Also, maybe I am overthinking it but maybe Kazuya's shining nails might be something he uses for cheating (or tries to fool Kaiji into thinking that he cheats using them, this is a FKMT manga after all).

      Thank you guys for the chapters, I love em!

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  6. I think the explanation for the title is the most obvious one: The "Shame" is Kaiji being ashamed of himself for assuming the game was fair and blindly walking into it. He spends most of the chapter beating himself up for it.

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    1. Exactly, it is the shame he feels for being a naive person that still trusts in people even after all the betrayals he has experienced.

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  7. Everyone seems to be convinced that Kazuya let Kaiji win.

    So let me offer this alternative. Kazuya is A MASSIVE TOOL, when he drew the Ace he was like Yes Hahaha Ace! and then when drew like a 9 or an 8 he was just like Sooooooo dejected it showed on his face.

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    1. Maybe, he is so full of himself, that probably lower tier UP cards are like shit to him.

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    2. If that's the case I wanna see his face when he gets a DOWN card.

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  8. Look at the whole set up. Mother Sophie counts players' lives(1). I think you put statues on weigher to raise(2). To make all of that in 5 hours? It's obvious Kazuya has always played like this, it wasn't "Kaiji's breathtaking win that made Kazuya change his mind". May be one statue was worth 50 million or so when Kazuya played against other people, but it doesn't change the fact that Kazuya lied about "breathtaking win..."

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  9. To anyone saying Kazuya let Kaiji win:

    Kazuya isn't the type of person to mask his emotions, so not only is his expression to his UP UP most likely genuine (for whatever reason), but his angry expression to losing is not the face of someone who "Let poor Kaiji win the first hand to give him a false sense of security."

    Furthermore, Kazuya has good reason to be upset at UP UP. The allure of have superior cards is the real trap to One Poker. It doesn't matter except for bluffs on betting when you get an UP UP or DOWN DOWN battle. You'd assume there'd be a betting battle for UP vs DOWN, but that is purely reliant on: 1)The DOWN player bluffing having a 2 in anticipation of an Ace and aiming for a fold; 2)The UP player is bluffing having a non-Ace in anticipation of a 2 and aiming for a fold; or 3)The DOWN player played 2 expecting an Ace.

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  10. What if Kazuya got 2 Aces? He wanted a battle, but if Kaiji gets an UP, than Kaiji may raise the stake and lose, ending the game. And with 2 Aces there is no need to choose the card, so this stage becomes boring. But when Kaiji got DOWN-DOWN, the game could proceed

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    1. Ace-Ace is also non-ideal if your opponent has down-down. If you had anything but an ace, your win would be guaranteed, but if your opponent plays a 2 and you have nothing but aces, there's nothing you could do. I think Kazuya was thrilled to get an ace and his disappointed is a result of getting a second.

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