Sunday, April 14, 2013

Kazuya-Hen Chapter 17

Chapter 17 of Kaiji is here! And with it comes more plot, more details, but still not quite enough explanations! That's Fukumoto for you guys all right.

Thanks as usual to the gang up here at FKMTkrazy. Js06 is as reliable as ever with his scripts, Biggums with his cleans, and Sonickrazy for his proofreading. A special shoutout this week to Mokal, who generously donated $100 to us last month!

Link: http://www.mediafire.com/?436flbwd2a0cwqh

This is it.

What a simple game eh? Just have the savior press the button within 60 seconds, and the winnings double! Could it possibly be any easier? Well, it's only easy if you're on the top, as many of our astute readers have found out. But what it you're on the second or third row? Then what can you do? Well, there's no easy way out like looking back around. The steps solve that problem, so now we know. The easy solution is to use the process of elimination! If you're in the center, and the bottom doesn't light up, then just wait 40 seconds to make sure the top isn't the savior, and bam, everything makes sense. 

Of course it won't be that easy, it really never is, especially if money is involved.

12 comments:

  1. Another great chapter! Keep it up guys!

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  2. Great work everyone!!!

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  3. This seems particularly difficult, even if your life wasn't on the line. Being able to judge time within ~7 seconds like this is pretty difficult. To best space it out between 30 and 60, they would have to go at something around 37, 44, and 51.

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  4. Why doesnt the guy at the bottom count with his fingers so the other two can see?

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    1. His count could be off and the other two would not be able to anything about it.

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  5. They didn't say it, but i think signals are forbidden too.

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  6. Everything said in this chapter was blatantly obvious (especially Kaiji being stupid enough to not get it). I've solved quite a few "people in line with hats" problems in my time.

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    1. Haha, gotta agree a bit there. Despite Kaiji being the resourceful genius he is, sometimes he just gets dumbed down so the slower bunch of the readers may catch up.

      That aside, Fukumoto has done it again: a theoretically simple game has turned into a really intrincate, interesting mental exercise and, more than anything, a life-or-death test on these guys' priorities. Friends or money? The occasion will soon come when this is put to the test.

      Say they're playing for 17 million in a later round. The middle guy is the savior, but he can't be sure of it, there's a 50/50 chance of that being so. He happens to be, though, and we know it!

      Now then... will he risk moving if the guy behind doesn't? There's plenty of money at stake, there's a lot impeding them to have a good grasp on the pass of time (stress, terribly loud music, etc)... In these conditions, he could easily believe that not enough time has passed yet for the other guy to move even though it is in fact soon to end (estimate of ~20-something seconds instead of actually about 50). And what will he do then? Do you think he will risk it when tension gets the best of him and go press the button himself? Or will he wait for the possibility that perhaps the guy behind is the savior and has yet to realize it's time to go press the button?

      If he goes and presses the button they might win the round, but there's an equally high chance that they'll be disqualified and go home without a penny, back to those worthless, unproductive lives...

      So, in the end, either he stays put due to the prospect of more money than he could hope to save up in many years, thus making his friends meet an unfortunate end unknowingly, or he decides that their three lives are more important than a humongous sum of money and risks to lose everything by going to press the button.

      The former is Kazuya, the latter is Kaiji. Now, then, where will the balance lean to...? My answer is decidedly Kazuya, but everyone can make their all assumptions here.

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  7. Oh man, this is like an exponential game of chicken. My only qualm is that there are too many ways to fail that wouldn't illustrate Kazuya's point, but it looks like an interesting game nonetheless.

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  8. I don't see how process of elimination could work. When you think about it, if it has been long enough that the person in the second chair decides that the person above them isn't the savior, wouldn't that mean that the person in the first chair also thinks that they are the savior, since no one had gone yet? I don't see how this could work unless they had some prior planning (after x seconds, second seat person will go, etc.). It wasn't immediatley obvious to me, but I guess the way this tests Kazuya's theory is by leveraging their lives against their greed. By not going, second chair is putting all their lives at stake in order to be sure they don't loose out on the money. I guess we will see what other tricks Kazuya put in the game next chapter, although to be honest I kind of want them to hurry up and get to Kaiji's match.

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    1. I assume the first person is well aware of that predicament and will wait a few seconds more before actually pushing the button.

      But yes the timeframe is extremly short. And one of them messing up even once can be enough.

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  9. I was not on the site when we were voting on what to spend the money on, and I really really REALLY wanna fucking know what is the Big gamble Pen Chen get's himself into, I mean yeah totes get Hero 2, 3, and 4. But if I had the chance to vote Pen Chen would have came in second

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